BBC Radio 2 'Mark Radcliffe and Stuart Maconie', january 24th 2008
[Interview with Colin]
This is a transcript from an audio recording of the radio broadcast.
[recording starts here]
[plays We Are Scientists – After Hours]
Mark: "Well, I think that's really good, or else I wouldn't have picked it for Pick & Mix, would I?
Stuart: "Ah ha, evidently, yeah
Mark: "And so, yeah, right, that's We Are Scientists and After Hours, and it comes out on the third of March. So shall we... ..well we should say welcome to Colin Greenwood from Radiohead. How are you?
Colin: "I'm alright
Mark: "Yeah, good, very nice to see you
Stuart: "Colin would be better if we hadn't given him some poisoned tea
Mark: "Have we?
Colin: "I don't want to make a fuss...
Stuart: "No, I'll make a fuss on your behalf
Mark: "What's wrong with the tea?
Stuart: "Unless it's the BBC's Earl Grey
Mark: "Is it curdled milk or something?
Stuart: "No. I think it's got...
Colin: "You tried it, didn't you?
Stuart: "Fairy liquid I think it is...yeah, anyway
Mark: "Oh, well. Anyway, how are you, Colin? Are you good, apart from the tea?
Colin: "I'm great, yeah
Mark: "(laughs) Yeah good! Right, good to see you. I tell you what, we'll recap our Pick & Mix, these are our contenders for next weeks record of the week. Everybody can... we have a vote on this, so I don't see any reason why you can't have a vote, Colin
Colin: "Oh, yeah, definitely
Mark: "So we can have a listen through, and do a recap. (to SM) What are you doing? What do you want?
Stuart: "Just carry on!
Mark: "Right. Oh, I see, right, ok, you're doing that bit from round here
Stuart: "Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Stuart: "Yeah, yeah. That's fine now
Stuart: "That's fine now
Mark: "Right, ok (laughs)
Mark: "Here we go recapping on the contenders for next weeks record of the week through the miracle of Pick & Mix
[plays Grand National – Animal Sounds]
Stuart: "This was my choice on Monday, this is Grand National and Animal Sounds
Mark: "Grand National, Colin do you like them?
Colin: "Don't know it
[track continues playing]
Mark: "Liking it?
[plays The Felice Brothers – Roll On Arte]
Mark: "The Felice Brothers, do you know them? Bit like The Band. Mates of Levon Helm. This is my suggestion, anyway for Tuesday. I love this, Roll On Arte
(Mark sings along)
Stuart: "All together now!
Mark: "Oh, I love it. (Noddy Laughs) This your kind of thing, Colin?
Colin: "Yeah, it's cool
[plays Teedo – You Were My Girl]
Stuart: "Ok, I picked this last night, this is Teedo from New York, You Were My Girl
Mark: "We've picked some good ones this week, I tell you
Stuart: "This is great, isn't it, yeah
[plays We Are Scientists – After Hours]
Mark: "We Are Scientists. You must have come across them?
Colin: "Yeah, yeah
Mark: "This is tonight's one, After Hours. I think they... I mean, you know, I mean... oooh I'm torn myself on that one, really
Stuart: "That's my fave
Mark: "I would still go for Felice Brothers, I think, but what do you like, Colin?
Colin: "Yeah, I like the one you were singing along to
Mark: "The Felice Brothers?
Colin: "Yeah, that's right
Mark: "Alright then. So, what about you, Nod?
Noddy Holder: "I like that one
Mark: "Right, ok then
Stuart: "There you go
Mark: "So that, though I'm not trying to lead the way... that...that has the added endorsement of Noddy Holder and Colin Greenwood
Noddy: "Big Band fan though, I was
Mark: "Oh yeah, well... Have you got that new Levon Helm album, Dirt Farmer?
Mark: "I've got it here, I'll lend it ya, you will love it
Noddy: "Nice one
Stuart: "Dirt Farmer?
Mark: "Love it
Stuart: "Dirt farming's a stupid idea
Mark: "(laughs) Alright then, so you just choose that through the website and pick which one you like
Stuart: "You do. Pick which one of the four you like best... Teedo. My new entry Teedo, and we'll play it next week
Mark: "Right, yeah right. I tell you what, to just... should we need a reminder, let's have a burst of a track from In Rainbows, and then we can talk to Colin and find out what he's been up to, and more importantly for us, what we're going to be doing
Mark: "Righto, ok, so I thought Nude... .Colin?
Colin: "Oh, yeah, that's great
Mark: "It's very similar to the vocal approach you used to use with Slade, isn't it, Nod?
Noddy: "(laughs a lot)
Mark: "I mean, that's just so beautiful, Colin. I mean, are you saying that that's all just Thom's voice?
Colin: "Yeah that's right
Mark: "Just multi-layered then is it?
Colin: "That's right, yeah
Mark: "And when he's doing that, do you kind of sit in the other room vaguely in awe, as he puts another track on and another track on?
Colin: "Well, you just see him like go into the zone and you try not to step on the... get in the way, do you know what I mean, it's like...
Stuart: "Or do you... .are you just idly leafing through Exchange & Mart?
Colin: "(laughs) That's it, yeah! Looking at the Habitat catalogue again, yeah, that's right
Stuart: "That's right, yeah
Mark: "I mean, it kind of took people by surprise a bit when the album came out, because you didn't have to go through all the kind of release schedules...
Colin: "Yeah, yeah
Mark: "And the machinations and all that. I think I was reading in an interview, probably with Thom where he was saying you know, you were really excited because people were talking about records, and all those people didn't know the new Radiohead record was ready and coming out next week sort of thing...
Colin: "Yeah, yeah
Mark: "Was it like that?
Colin: "It was great because everyone could hear it and could talk about it at the same time whether it was you on your show...
Stuart: "That's true, yeah
Colin: "Or whether it was like someone at home just downloading it and listening to it, so everyone could like join in and talk about it, you know, what they like about it, what they didn't like about it, where they are when they listened to it at the same time, and it's really exciting
Mark: "Did it cross your mind that everybody might download it and pay you nothing?
Colin: "(laughs) Yeah
Colin: "That did...
Mark: "And some people did, didn't they?
Colin: "Yeah well, yeah some people did, yeah but then those people probably wouldn't have bought it in the first place anyway, so maybe some of them would have liked what they heard when they got it for nothing
Mark: "And bought into the...
Mark: "Oh, ok
Stuart: "And is... I'm guessing that you'll say "yes", but is the consensus amongst the band and beyond that it was a great success, and a great thing to do?
Colin: "Yeah, I mean it was an unexpected thing for us as well to do, and it's worked out like brilliantly like for us, you know, and it's made everything... it's thrown... it's like thrown open the doors and like just let in some fresh air and it's like been you know
Stuart: "I was just going to say...
Noddy: "Well it's like a whole new concept, isn't it? It's a whole new...
Stuart: "In the fullness of time, people might say that it was one of the most significant moments in the history of music
Noddy: "Well, it probably will go down in pop history like that, because you've got to have this change, the change is coming now in the whole business...
Stuart: "But you were the first people to actually do it, yeah
Noddy: "All this thing that's going on with EMI and everything now, there's got to be a major change
Mark: "I mean the thing that I'm interested in, one of the ideas, that it seems to kind of... there seems to be a slight dichotomy in it, we've got the blessed Guy Garvey who's waiting to release his new album today from Elbow, who's saying that the upcoming album, The Seldom Seen Kid will be the last album they release like that
Mark: "He said that the MP3 culture of download has meant that songs are sold on an individual song basis, quality of an individual song...
Mark: "But he wanted to make one last album, you know, so he's sort of saying that you know, in the future, people are talking about this, it will just be certain songs, and yet the Radiohead In Rainbows...
Mark: "Is very much a sequenced album.
Mark: "And I think, well, what I hope, is that when people say "no, the album is dead", I'm hoping that In Rainbows is the saviour of the album format
Noddy: "I think there's a place for both, don't you, Colin, yeah?
Colin: "Absolutely, it's like another... it's like a framework, isn't it?
Colin: "You choose what framework you want to like put your work in, don't you, whether it's an album or whether it's like an EP or whatever
Noddy: "Well, I mean, you can do both anyway
Colin: "Well exactly
Noddy: "In the old days, I mean certainly in the Sixties, The Beatles very rarely put the singles on albums anyway
Stuart: "That's right, yeah
Noddy: "They made albums, and the singles were a different entity, and we did in our very early days
Noddy: "We never put our singles on albums, they were totally different
Colin: "And how quickly could you turn things around as well?
Noddy: "Oh, very quickly, incredibly quickly
Colin: "Could you go into the studio and it would be out?
Noddy: "With a single we could finish the track on a Monday and it could be in the shops by Friday in those days
Noddy: "Oh yeah, definitely
Colin: "And that's what everyone's trying to get back to now, you know, what you did then, you know what I mean?
Noddy: "And I think it should do, because the artists having to wait six months for your product to come out...
Colin: "Absolutely, yeah
Noddy: "You know, it's no good
Stuart: "You're obviously into this idea of a kind of immediacy, because I was really delighted by a thing, I've plugged it a couple of times, on YouTube that on New Year's Eve I was surfing around for some stuff about you, and suddenly there was a huge fifty odd minute film called Scotch Mist that you posted on YouTube..
Colin: "Oh, yeah
Stuart: "So you're obviously into this idea of just almost... not guerrilla marketing tactics, but that kind of thing...
Colin: "Or bypassing... that's right yeah, so you don't have like adverts, like people aren't selling soft drinks either side of your songs and stuff, you know
Stuart: "Right, yeah
Colin: "And it's just... and you're just giving something directly to people who are interested, like your fans watching it, and listening to it and then they edit it themselves, they edit the fifty minutes...they take the bits they like and they rate it...
Colin: "And say, "I love that", or "this bit's great", and then they show it to someone else and that's brilliant, because that's what we all do growing up with listening to music, you just enjoy it and you share it and you rate it, and it's...and that's what's happening, that's all that's happening
Mark: "So where are you at at the moment with the band then, I mean this is all done, and it's kind of got fantastic reviews and albums of the year, and all that kind of thing, so I mean you must be kind of really itching to go out and do it all
Colin: "Yeah, but I mean it's like Noddy was saying about like putting a single out and turning it around, I mean that's kind of where we're trying to get to, like so if we want to do something like an EP later on in the year, or record something and then turn it around and put it out like that so that we sort of keep everything sort of fresh and people know that we're into it for the new things, then that would be you know, our aim, but we're also going to be playing lots of shows this year, which is like, you know, such a massive thing for us...
Mark: "Right and a massive thing for us...
Stuart: "Ah yes!
Mark: "And we must say, we cannot reveal the date as yet. We're not being...
Colin: "Oh yeah, well we only started talking about it yesterday in the meeting, but yeah...
Mark: "Yeah, but you have decided...
Colin: "Yeah, we're getting some plans together to play a show and play some songs from the record for the radio, for BBC radio, for Radio 2, hopefully in the next couple of months, so that's the plan..
Mark: "Yeah, alright then. So there will be some kind of concert at an intimate venue?
Stuart: "Mmmm hmm
Mark: "And you know, try keeping us... well, we will be there (laughs)
Stuart: "Yeah, we'll be there
Mark: "And it'll be in this slot, won't it?
Stuart: "It'll be in this show, yeah
Mark: "In this show, so we're utterly thrilled about that, that's fantastic. Well, you know, so we'll see you and talk for longer and hear much more of you in the coming months, but thanks for dropping in
Colin: "Thank you
Mark: "Oh! Just a minute, Alison who's the soprano in the BBC symphony chorus said "I met Colin last Sunday at the Barbican where he'd come to watch a concert I was performing in. Say hello, and ask him if he enjoyed it"
Colin: "I did, actually
Mark: "Did you? Oh, right, yeah
Colin: "Sam West was narrating over a piece by Judith Weir which was about the rise of the city of London again through the years
Stuart: "They're doing a lot of Judith Weir stuff, aren't they, yeah
Mark: "Yeah, yeah. Ok, great. So we will have Radiohead on this programme. We think we know when it is, but we can't give the date yet, but people will get the chance to have tickets for this thing and everything, won't they?
Mark: "There'll be a bit of a scramble. Bit like Led Zep at the O2
Stuart: "We'll allow a kind of insane ferment of rumour to go around the country, yeah
Mark: "Ok. Perfect. Alright Colin, lovely to see you