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Host: Okay, do you consider yourself part of the Grunge movement, or what?

Thom: Well, Grunge movement... if the Grunge movement was a band like Stone Temple Pilots then no. Definitely.

Jonny: No... I didn't really hear anything exciting in Seattle that wasn't being done in Boston two years earlier by the Pixies, or even by Sonic Youth even earlier. So, not really, sorry.
As in the United States, radio listeners hear that the woman is 'very special'; on the CD, the phrase is '------- special'. Perhaps doing a sanitized, radio-friendly version is a "bit of a sellout", Greenwood says. "But then we thought, Sonic Youth has done it. We thought it wouldn't be that bad. But the British press, they weren't impressed."
Thom on Superstar by Sonic Youth: Wow. They really know how to make records, don't they? That's amazing. The obvious thing is that the first thing you think is, like, Sonic Youth, so the first few times round it's nice and quiet so you think, yeah, right, they're just gonna lay into it any minute and they don't. It's great. So that's a relief. And then, just, the sounds that... wow. No one's going to play it, but it's amazing. That should be on Radio One, that should be everywhere, that song. If that song got exposed everywhere, people would just f***ing drop. It's that good.
Ed: "We've got Sonic Youth.

Thom: "Uh.

Ed: ""Youth vs. Fascism". Off one of my favourite Sonic Youth records.

Thom: "Me too.

Ed: "Dirty.

Thom: "Yeah.

Ed: "1992.

Thom: "With the dirty word taken out.

Ed: "I saw them live on this tour. One of the best gigs in my life. Brixton Academy. Sonic Youth, and Pavement opening for them.
Steve: "(laughs) Well, one of the things you are gonna have is a huge record collection, which obviously they'll be able to get their fingers on. This is one of the things I wanna talk to you about this afternoon. We just played 'Kool Thing' by Sonic Youth, you've got another couple of selections coming up in a second, but 'Kool Thing', when did you first hear it? Were Sonic Youth very important to you?"

Thom: "It's funny, 'cause I played it on the way in in the car to Chris, our manager, and I sort of sat thinking, I think the first time I heard that was when I bought the album... Goo it's on, isn't it..."

Steve: "It think it's Goo, yeah."

Thom: "Um, in 1991? 1990, 1991, something like that."

Steve: "It was before Nirvana, wasn't it?"

Thom: "Exactly... that's exactly what I'm talking about, because basically... I mean, Goo to me was the record... I used to play it at the club I used to DJ at, and this was the one I used to play every time, you know, at sort of about quarter to two just to clear everybody gradually off the dance floor."

Steve: (laughs)

Thom: "And um, and I just used to... what was it that... 'Are you gonna liberate us chicks from male white corporate oppression?' and that was just... (beams) hah, you know? Kim Deal... that's just the best... the best... I mean, to dare to put that in a song, and then like, um, 'When you're a star, you're gonna fix everything' and then like oblivion, sonic oblivion going on in the background. It was just... it was genius! It's just... I mean that... I'm having a real like Sonic Youth thing at the moment, I've just got absolutely, like everything, although I draw the line at rehearsal tapes, I have to say."

Steve: "(laughs) Right!"

Thom: "Um, you know, the... you're sort of going back to... with a bit of distance... it's basically without Sonic Youth, Nirvana would never have occured, and we certainly would never have occured. I mean, them and the Pixies, that was it. I mean..."

Steve: "You could almost go back a step further and go if Hüsker Dü hadn't actually come out and signed for a major label, then it wouldn't have been cool for Sonic Youth to sign to a major label. And then Sonic Youth wouldn't have recommended Nirvana to Geffen. And from there on you go. It's funny you mention your DJing, though, I was going to ask you about that..."
C- So do you have a memory of a concert you can consider the best one, or the opposite, the worst one?

E- I can tell you the worst one. It was of a band called Lloyd Cole And The Commotions, you know, it was awful, 1986, terrible, very boring. One of the best ones, there's lots of good ones, but one of the best was in 1992 Sonic Youth at Brixton Academy, the opening band was Pavement. Pavement came on and it was on their first album Slanted and Enchanted and it was mesmerizing, it was amazing. And then, Sonic Youth came on, they had an album called Dirty at the time and it's a great album. I don't know if you know it, but it's a great album. And it was incredible, it was amazing. It was one of those nights that was just, you can always think I'm seeing not one but two amazing bands. Pavement was so good but Sonic Youth kind of raised...
Jim: "What about you, Jonny?

Jonny: "Um. This afternoon I was listening to my favourite Sonic Youth album, Goo! So... Kool Thing, or something...would be very...it'd be great!

Jim: "That is a , that is a great song...

Jonny: "Yeah! it's amazing...
Thom: "Well I was in a shop in L.A. and I heard the old 'Daydream Nation' album, Sonic Youth album and I hadn't heard it in ages and I thought 'My god!'. I was listening to that a lot cause I just freaked out about how good it was and I had forgotten and I didn't really haven't really anymore. And we're listening to the Sparklehorse album, which is this bad plug, this band that we're dragging over here to do the tour with us.
Thom: "The bands that sort of affected me when they played live... the bands like Sonic Youth. We played with Sonic Youth. We did some god-awful radio station bullshit commercial thing, which there's a lot of mistakes in it. You cannot play their show. Maybe you might consider possibly playing a record, but probably not. And Sonic Youth came on. And there's like a revolving stage thing in Hollywood. They came after Oasis. They were pretty good, actually. But they came on. And they just started playing before the stage revolved around, so you could see them. And they played um... Everybody had, like, a 20-minute slot. And they played one song. And it's, like, the best song on Washing Machine. Absolutely amazing song. And it was the most exciting thing I've ever seen, you know? I'd never heard the song before... nothing. But it was, like, everybody hated it! Everybody, you know... They were sort of furious, but... it was, like, so amazing to be standing right at the front and everybody going 'Ah!' But they were so into it! It was so exciting! And it was, like, they didn't care at all! They just did not, you know? And the sounds they were making and stuff, was just... None of the people in this room are going to get this. And, I don't know, it's just... Which is—I think a live, like, you know... ninety percent of live music is all about pressing the right buttons, and everybody going home satisfied, you know what I mean? It's sort of like showbiz, and it's a bit um... You know, everybody feels that they got their money's worth and stuff. And—and I think, when we were doing OK Computer, that's where we were at. That's what we felt that we ought to be doing. And it feels so good to sort of, like, I feel we're beyond that now.